tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4318375667051435937.post8303741244155058474..comments2023-08-25T16:13:51.356+01:00Comments on Martin In The Margins: Signs of a new left fascism?Martinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15608932251584881007noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4318375667051435937.post-61997440881471948622009-01-20T16:31:00.000+00:002009-01-20T16:31:00.000+00:00Thanks for the link, Martin.Miller 2.0 asks:"Fasci...Thanks for the link, Martin.<BR/><BR/>Miller 2.0 asks:<BR/><BR/>"Fascism is specifically about oppressing the vulnerable and weak in an effort to prevent their rebellion... this isn't really a property of the left."<BR/><BR/>The revolutionary/radical left has a long and sordid history of "oppressing the vulnerable and weak in an effort to prevent their rebellion." Or, to put it another way, states and movements dominated by radical leftist political organizations have a long history of killing or imprisoning those who stand in their way.<BR/><BR/>The notion that fascism is an exclusively right-wing ("conservative") phenomena was demolished by Hayek many decades ago.<BR/><BR/>Fascism is specifically concerned with elevating the position and authority of the party-state at the expense of the individual. Something quite common in leftist regimes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4318375667051435937.post-72806133878841395682009-01-16T23:12:00.000+00:002009-01-16T23:12:00.000+00:00sorry if this sounds offensive because that's not ...sorry if this sounds offensive because that's not my intention, but the problem with the left in democratic societies is that you got so used to leave in democracy and to have the benefit of a liberal system of values that you have become naif.<BR/><BR/>by you I mean the people who support the democratic left.<BR/><BR/>there has always been a non-democratic left, which aims to replace those liberal values that are shared both by the democratic left and by the progressive right by their own value system.<BR/><BR/>in times of crisis they emerge because it is in times of crisis that the get the chance to challenge that system of values. <BR/><BR/>this people will ally themselves with other political actors that are similarly willing to challenge those values, just like Hitler and Stalin had a pact of non-agression.<BR/><BR/>the fact that progressive people fail to grasp this is appalling and explains why is it that apparently generous ideas such as multiculturalism, that seems to promote tolerance, are being perverted to promote intolerance and inequality. <BR/><BR/>to this we add the fact that there are too many people whose appearance of soffistication conceals a very superficial understanding about what it means to be free and some of those people happen to have some weight as opinion makers and will not bother to attack that liberal system that I am referring to so that they feed their image of 'anti-system'.<BR/><BR/>not that they want to destroy the system, they just want to feed their market niche...<BR/><BR/>I could go on and on and on...<BR/><BR/>ask anyone you like, what are the basic principles of a free society, they will probably know the answer... ask them to explain it to you in simple words and simple examples 'as if I were really dumb' and theyr will probably fail to give you a satisfying answer...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4318375667051435937.post-11713389219795784952009-01-16T17:56:00.000+00:002009-01-16T17:56:00.000+00:00Well, you'd think that would be the case, wouldn't...Well, you'd think that would be the case, wouldn't you? Take a look at the two posts I link to for further clarification. They're mainly referring to antisemitism, which is where some on the far left join hands with the far right, but another symptom might be the cosying up to clerical fascism by the SWP, Respect, et al. Of course, it does raise the whole question of whether these groups deserve to be called 'left wing' as a result...if we accept your definition of the left.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15608932251584881007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4318375667051435937.post-22141633345452826322009-01-16T17:28:00.000+00:002009-01-16T17:28:00.000+00:00Can you have 'left fascism'? Fascism is specifical...Can you have 'left fascism'? Fascism is specifically about oppressing the vulnerable and weak in an effort to prevent their rebellion... this isn't really a property of the left.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07801341846218646357noreply@blogger.com